கோட்டக்குப்பம் நகர தமிழ்நாடு தவ்ஹீத் ஜமாத் கட்சியின் தலைவராக இருப்பவர் ஷாபூதீன். இவரது தாயார் ஜூலாபீ(75). நேற்று முன் தினம் இரவு இறந்தார். தமிழ்நாடு தவுஹீத் ஜமாத் மூலமாக அடக்கம் செய்வதற்கான ஏற்பாடுகளை செய்தனர். இதற்கு, கோட்டக்குப்பம் சுன்னத் ஜமாத்தை சேர்ந்தவர்கள் எதிர்ப்பு தெரிவித்து, அடக்கம் செய்ய இடம் தர மறுத்தனர். இதனால் இரு தரப்பினருக்கும் இடையே மோதல் ஏற்படும் சூழல் உருவானது. அப்பகுதியில் போலீசார் பாதுகாப்பு பணியில் ஈடுபட்டனர்.
பின்னர், இருதரப்பினரையும் கோட்டக்குப்பம் காவல்நிலையத்துக்கு அழைத்து போலீசார் அமைதி பேச்சுவார்த்தை நடத்தினர். வானூர் தாசில் தார் முத்துலட்சுமி, கோட்டக்குப்பம் டிஎஸ்பி முரு கேசன் ஆகியோர் தலைமை தாங்கினர். இன்ஸ்பெக்டர் ராஜன் மற்றும் இருதரப்பு முஸ்லிம் நிர்வாகிகள் கலந்து கொண்டனர்.
சுன்னத் ஜமாத்தை சேர்ந்த நிர்வாகிகள் கூறுகை யில், `கடந்த 400 ஆண்டுகளாக முன்னோர்கள் செய்து வந்த வழிமுறை களை கடைபிடித்து வருகிறோம். ஆனால் இவர்கள், புதிய முறையில் அடக்கம் செய்வதாக கூறுகிறார்கள். இதற்கு நாங்கள் அனுமதிக்க மாட்டோம்� என்றனர்.ஆனால், தவ்ஹீத் ஜமாத் தரப்பினரோ, `நாங்கள் நபி கள் வழியில் தொழுகை நடத்திதான் அடக்கம் செய் கிறோம். புனித குரா னி லேயே இது சொல்லப்பட்டுள்ளது என்றனர். இத னால் இருதரப்பினருக்கும் இடையே காரசார வாக்குவாதம் ஏற்பட்டது. இறுதியாக, தமிழ்நாடு தவ்ஹீத் ஜமாத் முறையில் நபிகள் வழியில் அடக்கம் செய்வதற்கு இருதரப்பின ரும் ஏற்றுக் கொண் டதை அடுத்து, போலீஸ் பாதுகாப்புடன் அடக்கம் செய்யப்பட்டது. இந்த சம்பவத்தால் கோட்டக்குப்பத் தில் பரபரப்பு ஏற்பட்டது.
இந்த செய்தி இன்று 04/10/2011 தினகரன் நாளிதழில் புதுச்சேரி பதிப்பில் வந்தது.
We should feel ashamed to take these people as our Jamath leaders(Jamia Masjid), hesitating to follow our prophet’s sunnah and blindly following the forefathers and their methodologies.
Just look at them (Jamia Masjid leaders), out of 6 people, 5 didn’t have beard at all. This shows their knowledge on Islam, Sunnah, Deen.
Praise Almighty God, for buried the Maiyath in prophetic way. Alhamduillah………!!!!!
Before publishing any news please confirm twice what has really happened, just dont copy the news as it is what has published in the Dinakaran Newspaper. Dinakaran reporter got some money from some elements and published the news to create a scenario that our Jamath is arrogant. But you people are residents of Kottakuppam should enquiry thoroughly what has happened, who went wrong, how police and Thasildhar involved in this, who called them etc etc., and then publish the news.
Since 15 years there were so many violences and confusions were created by TNTJ and its allies and earned crores of rupees. Don’t believe PJ and other MMK peoples. These 2 parties are running a website especially to reveal their personal secrets and indisciplines. Both of them are scolding each others in the websites : http://www.sengiskhanonline.com & http://www.poyyantj.blogspot.com. I request all tamil muslims to visit these websites and realise their fraud, malpractices and illegal affairs then decide whom you should support.
இது ஒரு கட்சின் அதிகார பூர்வமான இணையத்தளம் கிடையாது, நமதூரில் நடக்கும் சம்பவம்களின் தொகுப்பு தான் இது. இதில் முஸ்லிம் இயக்கத்தவர் அனைவரின் செய்திகளும் பக்க சார்பு இல்லாமல் பதிவிடுவோம்.
ஒரு பத்திரிகை செய்திய மேற்கோளிட்டு செய்யபடும் செய்திகள் அதன் உண்மை தன்மை பார்க்க முடியாது, உண்மை செய்ய நீங்கள் ஜமாஅத் சார்பாக எங்களுக்கு கொடுத்தல் அதையும் பொது மக்களுக்கு பார்வைக்கு வைக்கிறோம்.
Through out Tamil Nadu, TNTJ and JAK are separately managing masjids and marriage registers whereas why they are not maintaining separate grave yard for this ibless jamath people ?. Henceforth they must purchase a land in all areas to utilize as a burial ground. If so, no one will disturb them whether they are burying the bodies or cremating them. Don’t create disputes in this sad events too.
I think this website is mainly launched to publish the news what is happening in and around kottakuppam. When this type of incidents happened in our own village you should enquire and get the correct news before publishing, just like that you cannot publish as what Dinakaran did for money. In some other village means you can just refer the Newspaper news, but it has happened in our own village, definitely you will have some source, through them get the news and publish.
Some days before you have given some ideas to the Jamath for maintaining the Shadhi Mahal which is really good thing, but in that you have mentioned Shadhi Mahal should not be given for outside people, please note shadi mahal is given only for residents of Kottakuppam (Bride or bridegroom either one of them must of residents of Kottakuppam to get the shadi mahal). This is the procedure followed by the Jamath all these years.
உங்களின் கருத்து நியமானது, மேலும் ஷாதி மகாலில் நடக்கும் திருமணம் சம்மந்தமாக சொன்ன கருத்தில், வெளி ஊர் ஆட்கள் நமதூரில் எப்படி மண்டபம் எடுகிறார்கள் என்றல் அவர்கள் சொந்தகாரர்கள் கோட்டக்குப்பத்தில் வசிகிறார்கள் அவர்கள் முலமாக ஒரு ஊர் ஜமாதர்களிடம் சொல்லி எங்கள் விட்டில் பெண் பிள்ளைக்கு திருமணம் என்று சொல்லி வாங்குகிறார்கள், ஜமாதர்களும் அந்த பகுதி நாட்டமை கொடுக்கும் லெட்டரை வைத்து அனுமதி அளிகிறார்கள். இந்த விஷயத்தை மேலும் நோண்டினால் பல உண்மை வரும் வேண்டாம். ரஹ்மத் நகர் மற்றும் இந்திரா நகர் சின்ன கோட்டகுப்பம் போன்ற பகுதியில் நாட்டாண்மை காரர்கள் சக்கரை சோறை எப்படி போலி ரசீது அளித்து விற்றார்கள் என்ற உண்மை உங்களுக்கு தெரியும், ஊரில் தலைக்கட்டு இல்லாதவர்களுக்கு போலி ரசீது இவர்கள் முலம் பணம் பெற்ற விஷயம் போன்றது தான் இதுவும். மேலும் பல உண்மை வேண்டும் என்றால் என்னுடைய ஈமெயில் முகவரியில் தொடர்பு கொள்ளவும்.
What…..??
Bro., please learn the Sunnah properly. Beard is farz (obligatory) in Islam. Am not telling that whose are having beard are Muslims. But telling that being a Muslim, you must have beard.
Just look at the below mentioned 2 Hadiths, Prophet (saw) ordered us to keep the beard. We all know that it is mandatory for all Muslims to obey our Prophet.
And moreover this is applicable for any ordinary Muslim, but being a leader of a Jamath, he should be more pious and perfect follower of the correct Sunnah. But these people who call themselves as KTM Jamath leaders not following the basic simple prophetic sunnah and this shows their knowledge of Islam and thier taqwa ( fearness of Almighty God)
Volume 7, Book 72, Number 781 : Shahih Bukhari
Narrated by Ibn ‘Umar
Allah’s Apostle said, “Cut the moustaches short and leave the beard (as it is).”
Volume 7, Book 72, Number 780 : Shahih Bukhari
Narrated by Nafi’
Ibn Umar said, The Prophet said, ‘Do the opposite of what the pagans do.
Keep the beards and cut the moustaches short.’ Whenever Ibn ‘Umar performed the Hajj or ‘Umra,
he used to hold his beard with his hand and cut whatever moustaches.
Ibn Umar used to cut his moustache so short that the whiteness of his skin (above the upper lip) was visible,
and he used to cut (the hair) between his moustaches and his beard.
TNTJ and JAQH are managing separate masjids and marriage registers to due the following reasons:
1. If they come for prayer in other masjids, the jamath restricts them that they should wear caps, they should not keep their hands in chest and they should not moves the finger in atthahiyath and you are placing a board in masjids (Jamath orders to wear caps but that is not actually sunnah, but if you see our muthavalli and other jamath leaders, they dont have bear. why dont they mention in the board that “without beard peoples are not allowed to pray” But that is also wrong). Actually they have authorized proof for these acts from Quran and Hadees that prophed did the same thing. But peoples are not actually verifying the details. If you see in gulf countries and other countries, peoples are praying in different ways and no one is making any objections. As per Quran and Hadees, no one has the right to order a person to follow a particular way that he is following.
2. And in juma prayer, the correct way of prophet is to do the bayan in their local language. there is no separate bayan in arabic and local language as per islam rules. KUTHBAA means speach.
3. And you said that this is ibless jamath. Ibliss means the way saytan likes, it means the way that is not prophet did. But they have proper proof as per quran and hadis for their acts. But peoples dont have time to listen or refer that. But peoples have time to make comments in this website. If you go and ask them for clarification, they will give you. If you are right they will accept and they are right as per islam rules, you try to accept this.
4. If a person dies, the relatives have the right to do burial as they like.
If you are following some way in islam, TNTJ, Jaqh or any other person dont have any right to interfere on your acts, similarly you should not interfere in anothers activities. Only we can do is PREACHING BUT NOT FIGHTING.
and the websites you said is not officially runned by TNTJ, but some one supporting TNTJ is running, for which they are not responsible.
And you told that they are creating problems in last 15 years, but actually they are not creating problems, they are doing some way of worship which they believed that that is the prophet way. but others are making objections thats why problems are arising. For eg. if am praying next to you, you are making objections on my way of step, then the problem will get arise.
Excellent points Bro., Our Sunnah Jamath leaders / people don’t have time to refer and crosscheck which is correct Sunnah.
Even on the day of peace meeting with Police officers regarding this issue, TNTJ people asked Zair molsa to show the proof that the method followed by KTM Jamath for Burial was the same as our beloved Prophet (saw) did, but Zair molsa didnt ready to show the proof and simply told we have to follow what forefathers followed. Zair molsa was brought by KTM Jamath leaders as a knowledgeable scholar ( Madha Guru) for references.
The brothers who all are commented on this issue here, are mostly living outside of KTM, you have seen so many masjids, you have prayed on so many masjids and you have seen people offering their Salah(prayer) in thier way, even mostly similar as TNTJ,JAQH, Ahle Hadees, but have you seen that the Jamath Leaders of that Masjid stopped them praying. Tell ??
But our KTM Sunnath Jamath leaders thrown out the people who pray as TNTJ,JAQH, Ahle hadees and they asked to go out of masjid.
Because they dont have Brotherhood in their hearts. If really they are true Muslims, they should discussed with them and asked the reference, but they did in the opposite way.
Dear Bothers of Islam,
TNTJ, Ahle hadees and other organisation not have intention to break the Jamath, rather they are trying to establish the correct sunnah. How one can identify the correct sunnah and wrong sunnah ? and the only answer is to read, to study, to research.
But we muslims not at all doing that. If every people in KTM alone start analyzing we all will be a SINGLE Jamath. Insha Allah.
Stop simply following our forefathers and start to read about our Islam and sunnah. Atleast 30 minutes a day. Surely you will find the CORRECT path.
ada kottakuppam old pannadai kala neeingalum theruintha mattinga mathavaingalaum theruinthaveedamatiga da ——- aanga paarunga first row-la muumeen ga kooda rendu kuuudikaranga uukanthu irrukaanga aathula first anwar(real estate) pannada intha panada double game aaduvan ,aadutha panada ml street panada eethu pariya kuudikaran namba uuru ajiratha theruntha veedamatan
இறைவனின் சாந்தியும், சமாதானமும் தங்கள் மீது என்றென்றும் நிலவட்டுமாக! இன்ஷா அல்லாஹ்.. கோட்டகுப்பம் செய்திகள்..TNTJ சாதக மாக உள்ளது
(இந்நயவஞ்சகர்கள்) இறைவனையும், நம்பிக்கை கொண்டோரையும் ஏமாற்றுகின்றனர். ஆனால்
(உண்மையில்) அவர்கள் தம்மைத் தாமே ஏமாற்றிக் கொள்கின்றனரே அன்றி வேறில்லை;
எனினும் (இதனை) அவர்கள் உணர்வதில்லை. அவர்களுடைய நெஞ்சங்களில் நோயிருக்கிறது.
(திருக்குர்ஆன்2:9)
பூமியில் குழப்பம் விளைவிக்காதீர்” என அவர்களிடம் சொல்லப்பட்டால்,
”நிச்சயமாக நாங்கள் சீர்திருத்தம் செய்பவர்களே!” என அவர்கள் கூறுகிறார்கள்-
எச்சரிக்கை! நிச்சயமாக அவர்கள் தாம் குழப்பவாதிகளாவர்.
(திருக்குர்ஆன் 2:11,12)
Yes, I agree with you because they have hided the contents and displays only the title (UNMAI SAMBAVAM NADANTHADHU YENNA) we need to click it to read the article. However, still the old news which supports TNTJ is still displays fully with photos even after the site administrator knew that the new is an incorrect one. NOT GOOD.
உங்களின் கண்டுபிடிப்புக்கு நன்றி, நாங்கள் யாரையும் சேர்ந்தவர்கள் இல்லை என்று ஊரில் உள்ளவர்களுக்கு தெரியும், மேலும் இது எங்களுக்கு புதியது கிடையாது, சில மாதங்களுக்கு முன்பு TNTJ எதிர்த்து செய்தி போடும்போது பலர் எங்களை எதிர்த்தார்கள், அப்படி தான் இதுவும் எங்களுக்கு இது பழகி விட்டது. உங்களின் அதரவுக்கு நன்றி
First of all, atleast thank the Web admin for providing some info/news about our KTM. Whether the news is favor of Jamia Masjid or favor of TNTJ or favor of any other organization. We all came to know what is happening in our KTM.
Do you think he don’t have any other work to do ?
Good Job., Dude..!!!
We will be more happy, if you are high diplomatic..!!!
Dear Riaz Ahmed, If TNTJ & JAQH are following sunnah then why there is two jaamath. can u explain and why Mr.P.J came out from JAQH and stat TNTJ. Sunnath Jaamath follow the four immams and you are following P.J. I think four immams is 1000 times beter than you P.J. if u want i will give many stupid speech of P.J.
Brothers, Please see the below announcement from TNTJ KTM in their website : http://www.kottakuppamtntj.com wherein they challenge us that the Janaja prayer was held my Mr.Haq moulvi they are ready to pay Rs.10 lakhs. If you have proof for this we should give them and get this amount. and also if we have more proof for their other challenge we should tackle that too at the right time at the right place. We should control their growth for our peaceful life in Kottakuppam.
TNTJ பகிரங்க அழைப்பு
3 .10 .2011 அன்று TNTJ நகர தலைவர் சகாபுதீன் அவர்களின் தாயாரின் ஜனசாவிற்கு குர் ஆன் ஹதீஸை ஏற்க மறுத்து கூலிக்கு மார் அடித்துக்கொண்டு இருக்கும் ஹக் ஹஜ்ரத் தான் தொழுகை நடத்தினார் என்று நிரூபித்தால் ரூபாய் பத்து லட்சம் (10 , 00 ,000 ) தரப்படும் மேலும் கூட்டு துவா மற்றும் திருமணத்தில் ஓதி கொண்டு இருக்கின்ற ” அல்லாஹும அளிப் பைனஹுமா” போன்ற துவாகள் மார்க்கத்தில் இல்லை என்று நிரூபிக்க விவாதம் செய்ய கோட்டக்குப்பத்தில் உள்ள உலமாகளுக்கு TNTJ கோட்டகுப்பம் கிளை பகிரங்க அழைப்பு. இடம் நேரம் பற்றி ஒப்பந்தம் செய்ய உங்கள் அழைப்பிற்காக காத்திருக்கிறோம்.
TNTJ or JAQH dont say we should not listen the words of four imams. Actually their activities are in line with four imams.
Just listen the history of 4 mathhabs
After Prophet Muhammadh died, quran are recorded in proper way without any changes. But Hadees i.e. prophet activities were not recorded.
1. Then Mr. Abu Hanifa collected the hadhees and preached the sunnah of prophet and he clearly declared ” I am also a human being. i believe that whatever i preached is followed by Prophet. In future if you come to know that any of my words is proved that that is not Prophet way, then dont follow those things”
2. In the same way Mr. Shafi imam, Hanbal Imam and Malik Imam declared.
So in their period there is no four mathhabs. After their period people started following any one of these imams without following the hadhees announced by other imams. But actually we have to follow the hadhees announced by any imams. But if some people follow hadhees preached by hanafi imam they will not follow the hadhees preached by shafi imam. We have to consider all the hadhees announced by all imams and we have to follow the hadhees which is true and which is not in any doubt.
These hadhees are now available in all the languages including tamil. you know very well what are the hadhees books. Those are Buhari Shareef, Muslim, Soonan Nasayi, Soonan Abu Thawud, Thirmidhi etc. if you read each and every hadhees, they mention some notes that which are true hadhees (Sahih Hadees) and which are hadhees in doubt. We have to select Sahih hadhees.
And you cannot neglect these books also. The reason is these hadhees books are approved by all sunnath jamath ulamas and most of the hadhees books are translated by sunnath jamath ulamas in tamil. it means that they are accepting but they dont want to follow that. When people asking any doubts, they should clear their doubs with these hadhees books but in practice they are giving fathwas with some books written some 400 years before. ACTUALLY THIS IS THE PROBLEM.
If you read these hadhees books, you can find that TNTJ / Jaqh are following these hadhees and four imams. If you check the islamic rules of sunnath jamath, also you can find that they are not in agreement with these hadhees and four imams.
Please allot some time to refer these books and find the true path of islam.
And you told that most of the peoples are following PJs. Actually peoples are not following PJs words. He is preaching the Islam with the help of these hadhees books thats why people are following. It means people following hadhees and not PJs words. He is giving answers to islamic doubts with the help of these hadhees books. Not only PJ, there are number of imams preaching the real path of islam. Some of them are Zakir Naik, Bilal Philips, Kovai ayoub etc.
You can find these books in libraries and if you dont find and you want these hadhees books give me ur address i will send these books by courier.
அவர்கள் சொன்னது போல் ஹக் ஹஜ்ரத் தொழுகை நடத்தவில்லை, TNTJ ஆட்கள் தான் தொழுகை நடத்தினார்கள் ஆனால் அதன் பின்னர் ஹக் ஹஜ்ரத் துவா ஓதினார்கள். நாம் முன்னர் ஒரு தவறால் அந்த செய்திய எடுத்து விட்டோம்.
First of all, Jazakallah Bro Muhammadh for answering in a clear way.
Dear Bro Fauzan,
As on my knowledge, TNTJ & JAQH are not related organizations. Answering to your question, PJ/TNTJ got isolated with TMMK because TMMK wants to get name from the people in the Political point of view that means ( even neglecting the sunnah, they want to get name from the people) but TNTJ purely concentrates on establishing Correct Sunnah to their best level by following all the four imams.
But in case of Sunnath Jamath, people follow ONLY ONE imam at a time either Hanafi or Shafi or Hanbali or Malik, keep in mind NOT all the imams at the same time. If Sunnath Jamath people follow all the imams at the same, there will be NO DIFFERENCE between Sunnath Jamath and TNTJ.
Let me give some example,
Note: Most of our KTM Sunnath Jamath people are Hanafi.
1. The sunnath jamath people of HAMBALI madahab will shake their finger during Athaiyaath ( sitting position while praying), (As per your statement) if you say Sunnath Jamath follows all four imams, then Why our KTM Hanafi madahab people not shaking their finger during prayer ? ? ?
2. The sunnath jamath people of SHAFI and Habali madahabs will say Ameem louder during prayer( after Surah Fathiah), (As per your statement) if you say Sunnath Jamath follows all four imams, then Why our KTM Hanafi madahab people not saying Ameen louder during prayer ? ? ?
Answering to the second question, TNTJ people DID NOT follow PJ, if they say like that then they will not be Muslims at all. But TNTJ people following our beloved Prophet Muhammed (SAW) and his actions, PJ is one among many lectures helps people to follow our Prophet by delivering speeches by referring authentic Hadeeths from the Shahih Hadeeth books.
Even I will tell to Tawheed Jamath Brothers “not only listen PJ Speeches(Bayaans) but also to see the speeches of great Scholars like
Ahmed Deedat – South Africa
Zakir Naik – Bombay
Yasir Qadhi – Texas, USA
Bilal Assad – London
Siraj Wahhaj – New York
Khalid Yasin – Washington
Raheem Green – Tanzania
Yusuf Estes – Texas
Ahmad Jibril – Saudi
Anwar Al-Awlaki – Yemen/USA
Hakim Quick – Canada
Salim Al-Amry – UAE
Bilal Philips – Jamaica
In order to follow the correct Sunnah, we have expand our knowledge at least by seeing these scholar lectures and many more. But our tamil Muslims didn’t know English, so they can’t get chance to view these lectures. Our people are bounded to listen the tamil scholars like PJ, Kovai Ayoub, M I Sulaiman, etc .
Dear Brothers, TNTJ don’t have intention to break the Jamath, they are trying to establish that, But our Jamath Leaders selling Islam to the enemies of ISLAM for Position, Post, Leadership, etc.
Let’s start research and learn the correct path of Islam, We have our enemies outside of Islam like RSS/VHP/Zionist trying to destroy the Islam, lets find them.
I hope you have surfed in youtube, there is documentary called ” THE ARRIVALS” ,if u find time just watch all the parts of this documentary, you will come to know who are the people trying to destroy ISLAM for Money, Post, Leadership, etc
From this annoucement itself everyone can realize that their way of speech/tone is itself not good for our community. Here they have told that Moulvi haq as (Koolikku maaradippavar). OK I agree with you – he is surviving by almighty’s grace with the little income and he is not rich eventhough is earning through mouladh, fathiha etc. as you said. But your leaders to whom you have faith (iman) is a millionaires now a days. 20 years back they were very poor (just got Rs.600/- as monthly salary from the madrassa where he used to teach quran to small kids) then how could they become rich within 20 years. Did he won any lottery price ?. Can you explain me this ? Advise your TNTJ friends to be polite while criticising other because our hindu people will laugh at us on reading this messages.
Mind your words, Brother. Have to answer to Almighty God..!!!!
Atleast use other name while giving bad comments like this…..Feeling bad on seeing this comment “”” Mohammed Said”” . since Mohamed is name our beloved Prophet…!!!
செய்திகள் குறித்த கருத்துக்களைப் பதிவு செய்யும்போது, எவருடைய மனதையும் புண்படுத்தாத வகையில், நாகரிகமான முறையில் உங்கள் கருத்துகள் இருக்க வேண்டும் என்று எதிர்பார்க்கிறோம். மேலும் தெரிவிக்கும் கருத்துக்கள், உரிய முறையில் தணிக்கை செய்யப்பட்டே வெளியிடப்படுகின்றன.இருப்பினும் இந்த பகுதியில் வெளியாகும் கருத்துக்கள் எவருடைய மனதையாவது புண்படுத்துவதாக கருதினால், அவர்கள் தங்கள் கருத்தாக அதைப் பதிவு செய்தால், அதைப் பரிசீலித்து, அந்த குறிப்பிட்ட கருத்தை தேவைப்பட்டால் திருத்தி வெளியிட உரிய முயற்சி மேற்கொள்ளப்படும். எனினும் இந்த பகுதியில் வெளியாகும் கருத்துக்கள், அவர்களுடைய கருத்துக்களே; அதற்கு இந்த இணையத்தளம் எந்த வகையிலும் பொறுப்பேற்க இயலாது.
கோட்டகுப்பம் செய்திகள் - நம்ப ஊரு செய்தி 
This news really hurts a lot, I ashamed to live in KTM… Yar Yarellaam thavaru illaikarkallo kandippaga Allahvidam Pathil solliea Agavendum…
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We should feel ashamed to take these people as our Jamath leaders(Jamia Masjid), hesitating to follow our prophet’s sunnah and blindly following the forefathers and their methodologies.
Just look at them (Jamia Masjid leaders), out of 6 people, 5 didn’t have beard at all. This shows their knowledge on Islam, Sunnah, Deen.
Praise Almighty God, for buried the Maiyath in prophetic way. Alhamduillah………!!!!!
– Riaz Ahamed
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Website administrator,
Before publishing any news please confirm twice what has really happened, just dont copy the news as it is what has published in the Dinakaran Newspaper. Dinakaran reporter got some money from some elements and published the news to create a scenario that our Jamath is arrogant. But you people are residents of Kottakuppam should enquiry thoroughly what has happened, who went wrong, how police and Thasildhar involved in this, who called them etc etc., and then publish the news.
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voor rendu pattal kuthadikku kondattam nu solluvangay .ippadi muslim samuthayathil adichikkittu 2pirivagay irungal endru RASULAY KAREEM SALLAHU ALIVASALAM avargaul namakku sollivittu sendrargala.thozargalay yosiyungal pin mattray madathukkum namakkum enna vidyasam .oru mayathai adakkam seiyakodathu enndru solla namakku yenda vorimaiyum illay,pirappu irappu ALLAHU vai saarndathu.thayavo seidhu idai marandhu vottrumaiyaiyagay irukka paarungal
ippadikku voornalam karudhum
ungal sagodarar..NIZAR AHAMED ABDUL HAMEED.
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Since 15 years there were so many violences and confusions were created by TNTJ and its allies and earned crores of rupees. Don’t believe PJ and other MMK peoples. These 2 parties are running a website especially to reveal their personal secrets and indisciplines. Both of them are scolding each others in the websites : http://www.sengiskhanonline.com & http://www.poyyantj.blogspot.com. I request all tamil muslims to visit these websites and realise their fraud, malpractices and illegal affairs then decide whom you should support.
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dinakaran news is wrong
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Please don t publish TNTJ News. TNTJ Panam koduthu poda sonna news than ithu. namathu kottakuppam sunnath jamath muraipadi intha maiyath adakam seiyapatathu.
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இது ஒரு கட்சின் அதிகார பூர்வமான இணையத்தளம் கிடையாது, நமதூரில் நடக்கும் சம்பவம்களின் தொகுப்பு தான் இது. இதில் முஸ்லிம் இயக்கத்தவர் அனைவரின் செய்திகளும் பக்க சார்பு இல்லாமல் பதிவிடுவோம்.
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ஒரு பத்திரிகை செய்திய மேற்கோளிட்டு செய்யபடும் செய்திகள் அதன் உண்மை தன்மை பார்க்க முடியாது, உண்மை செய்ய நீங்கள் ஜமாஅத் சார்பாக எங்களுக்கு கொடுத்தல் அதையும் பொது மக்களுக்கு பார்வைக்கு வைக்கிறோம்.
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Through out Tamil Nadu, TNTJ and JAK are separately managing masjids and marriage registers whereas why they are not maintaining separate grave yard for this ibless jamath people ?. Henceforth they must purchase a land in all areas to utilize as a burial ground. If so, no one will disturb them whether they are burying the bodies or cremating them. Don’t create disputes in this sad events too.
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Appreciate the Web admin for being diplomatic. Good Job, Razak.
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I think this website is mainly launched to publish the news what is happening in and around kottakuppam. When this type of incidents happened in our own village you should enquire and get the correct news before publishing, just like that you cannot publish as what Dinakaran did for money. In some other village means you can just refer the Newspaper news, but it has happened in our own village, definitely you will have some source, through them get the news and publish.
Some days before you have given some ideas to the Jamath for maintaining the Shadhi Mahal which is really good thing, but in that you have mentioned Shadhi Mahal should not be given for outside people, please note shadi mahal is given only for residents of Kottakuppam (Bride or bridegroom either one of them must of residents of Kottakuppam to get the shadi mahal). This is the procedure followed by the Jamath all these years.
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Mr. Rahamathulla well said
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உங்களின் கருத்து நியமானது, மேலும் ஷாதி மகாலில் நடக்கும் திருமணம் சம்மந்தமாக சொன்ன கருத்தில், வெளி ஊர் ஆட்கள் நமதூரில் எப்படி மண்டபம் எடுகிறார்கள் என்றல் அவர்கள் சொந்தகாரர்கள் கோட்டக்குப்பத்தில் வசிகிறார்கள் அவர்கள் முலமாக ஒரு ஊர் ஜமாதர்களிடம் சொல்லி எங்கள் விட்டில் பெண் பிள்ளைக்கு திருமணம் என்று சொல்லி வாங்குகிறார்கள், ஜமாதர்களும் அந்த பகுதி நாட்டமை கொடுக்கும் லெட்டரை வைத்து அனுமதி அளிகிறார்கள். இந்த விஷயத்தை மேலும் நோண்டினால் பல உண்மை வரும் வேண்டாம். ரஹ்மத் நகர் மற்றும் இந்திரா நகர் சின்ன கோட்டகுப்பம் போன்ற பகுதியில் நாட்டாண்மை காரர்கள் சக்கரை சோறை எப்படி போலி ரசீது அளித்து விற்றார்கள் என்ற உண்மை உங்களுக்கு தெரியும், ஊரில் தலைக்கட்டு இல்லாதவர்களுக்கு போலி ரசீது இவர்கள் முலம் பணம் பெற்ற விஷயம் போன்றது தான் இதுவும். மேலும் பல உண்மை வேண்டும் என்றால் என்னுடைய ஈமெயில் முகவரியில் தொடர்பு கொள்ளவும்.
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correct point we agree with u
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Your opinion is incorrect. There is no any compulsion in Islam to have beard. Do you agree that Hindu saints & Sikhs are muslims ?
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What…..??
Bro., please learn the Sunnah properly. Beard is farz (obligatory) in Islam. Am not telling that whose are having beard are Muslims. But telling that being a Muslim, you must have beard.
Just look at the below mentioned 2 Hadiths, Prophet (saw) ordered us to keep the beard. We all know that it is mandatory for all Muslims to obey our Prophet.
And moreover this is applicable for any ordinary Muslim, but being a leader of a Jamath, he should be more pious and perfect follower of the correct Sunnah. But these people who call themselves as KTM Jamath leaders not following the basic simple prophetic sunnah and this shows their knowledge of Islam and thier taqwa ( fearness of Almighty God)
Volume 7, Book 72, Number 781 : Shahih Bukhari
Narrated by Ibn ‘Umar
Allah’s Apostle said, “Cut the moustaches short and leave the beard (as it is).”
Volume 7, Book 72, Number 780 : Shahih Bukhari
Narrated by Nafi’
Ibn Umar said, The Prophet said, ‘Do the opposite of what the pagans do.
Keep the beards and cut the moustaches short.’ Whenever Ibn ‘Umar performed the Hajj or ‘Umra,
he used to hold his beard with his hand and cut whatever moustaches.
Ibn Umar used to cut his moustache so short that the whiteness of his skin (above the upper lip) was visible,
and he used to cut (the hair) between his moustaches and his beard.
with Salam,
Riaz Ahamed
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TNTJ and JAQH are managing separate masjids and marriage registers to due the following reasons:
1. If they come for prayer in other masjids, the jamath restricts them that they should wear caps, they should not keep their hands in chest and they should not moves the finger in atthahiyath and you are placing a board in masjids (Jamath orders to wear caps but that is not actually sunnah, but if you see our muthavalli and other jamath leaders, they dont have bear. why dont they mention in the board that “without beard peoples are not allowed to pray” But that is also wrong). Actually they have authorized proof for these acts from Quran and Hadees that prophed did the same thing. But peoples are not actually verifying the details. If you see in gulf countries and other countries, peoples are praying in different ways and no one is making any objections. As per Quran and Hadees, no one has the right to order a person to follow a particular way that he is following.
2. And in juma prayer, the correct way of prophet is to do the bayan in their local language. there is no separate bayan in arabic and local language as per islam rules. KUTHBAA means speach.
3. And you said that this is ibless jamath. Ibliss means the way saytan likes, it means the way that is not prophet did. But they have proper proof as per quran and hadis for their acts. But peoples dont have time to listen or refer that. But peoples have time to make comments in this website. If you go and ask them for clarification, they will give you. If you are right they will accept and they are right as per islam rules, you try to accept this.
4. If a person dies, the relatives have the right to do burial as they like.
If you are following some way in islam, TNTJ, Jaqh or any other person dont have any right to interfere on your acts, similarly you should not interfere in anothers activities. Only we can do is PREACHING BUT NOT FIGHTING.
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My dear, TNTJ is running the following websites
http://www.tntj.com
http://www.onlinepj.com
TMMK is running http://www.tmmk.info
and the websites you said is not officially runned by TNTJ, but some one supporting TNTJ is running, for which they are not responsible.
And you told that they are creating problems in last 15 years, but actually they are not creating problems, they are doing some way of worship which they believed that that is the prophet way. but others are making objections thats why problems are arising. For eg. if am praying next to you, you are making objections on my way of step, then the problem will get arise.
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Excellent points Bro., Our Sunnah Jamath leaders / people don’t have time to refer and crosscheck which is correct Sunnah.
Even on the day of peace meeting with Police officers regarding this issue, TNTJ people asked Zair molsa to show the proof that the method followed by KTM Jamath for Burial was the same as our beloved Prophet (saw) did, but Zair molsa didnt ready to show the proof and simply told we have to follow what forefathers followed. Zair molsa was brought by KTM Jamath leaders as a knowledgeable scholar ( Madha Guru) for references.
The brothers who all are commented on this issue here, are mostly living outside of KTM, you have seen so many masjids, you have prayed on so many masjids and you have seen people offering their Salah(prayer) in thier way, even mostly similar as TNTJ,JAQH, Ahle Hadees, but have you seen that the Jamath Leaders of that Masjid stopped them praying. Tell ??
But our KTM Sunnath Jamath leaders thrown out the people who pray as TNTJ,JAQH, Ahle hadees and they asked to go out of masjid.
Because they dont have Brotherhood in their hearts. If really they are true Muslims, they should discussed with them and asked the reference, but they did in the opposite way.
Dear Bothers of Islam,
TNTJ, Ahle hadees and other organisation not have intention to break the Jamath, rather they are trying to establish the correct sunnah. How one can identify the correct sunnah and wrong sunnah ? and the only answer is to read, to study, to research.
But we muslims not at all doing that. If every people in KTM alone start analyzing we all will be a SINGLE Jamath. Insha Allah.
Stop simply following our forefathers and start to read about our Islam and sunnah. Atleast 30 minutes a day. Surely you will find the CORRECT path.
With Salam,
Riaz Ahamed
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ada kottakuppam old pannadai kala neeingalum theruintha mattinga mathavaingalaum theruinthaveedamatiga da ——- aanga paarunga first row-la muumeen ga kooda rendu kuuudikaranga uukanthu irrukaanga aathula first anwar(real estate) pannada intha panada double game aaduvan ,aadutha panada ml street panada eethu pariya kuudikaran namba uuru ajiratha theruntha veedamatan
EEEthu yana koodumai sir
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அஸ்ஸலாமு அலைக்கும் (வரஹ்)
இறைவனின் சாந்தியும், சமாதானமும் தங்கள் மீது என்றென்றும் நிலவட்டுமாக! இன்ஷா அல்லாஹ்.. கோட்டகுப்பம் செய்திகள்..TNTJ சாதக மாக உள்ளது
(இந்நயவஞ்சகர்கள்) இறைவனையும், நம்பிக்கை கொண்டோரையும் ஏமாற்றுகின்றனர். ஆனால்
(உண்மையில்) அவர்கள் தம்மைத் தாமே ஏமாற்றிக் கொள்கின்றனரே அன்றி வேறில்லை;
எனினும் (இதனை) அவர்கள் உணர்வதில்லை. அவர்களுடைய நெஞ்சங்களில் நோயிருக்கிறது.
(திருக்குர்ஆன்2:9)
பூமியில் குழப்பம் விளைவிக்காதீர்” என அவர்களிடம் சொல்லப்பட்டால்,
”நிச்சயமாக நாங்கள் சீர்திருத்தம் செய்பவர்களே!” என அவர்கள் கூறுகிறார்கள்-
எச்சரிக்கை! நிச்சயமாக அவர்கள் தாம் குழப்பவாதிகளாவர்.
(திருக்குர்ஆன் 2:11,12)
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this news is wrong …this site is supported for tntj……..hello admin dont support anyone pls put the real news…
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Yes, I agree with you because they have hided the contents and displays only the title (UNMAI SAMBAVAM NADANTHADHU YENNA) we need to click it to read the article. However, still the old news which supports TNTJ is still displays fully with photos even after the site administrator knew that the new is an incorrect one. NOT GOOD.
Regards
Noorulla
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உங்களின் கண்டுபிடிப்புக்கு நன்றி, நாங்கள் யாரையும் சேர்ந்தவர்கள் இல்லை என்று ஊரில் உள்ளவர்களுக்கு தெரியும், மேலும் இது எங்களுக்கு புதியது கிடையாது, சில மாதங்களுக்கு முன்பு TNTJ எதிர்த்து செய்தி போடும்போது பலர் எங்களை எதிர்த்தார்கள், அப்படி தான் இதுவும் எங்களுக்கு இது பழகி விட்டது. உங்களின் அதரவுக்கு நன்றி
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Dear Brothers,
First of all, atleast thank the Web admin for providing some info/news about our KTM. Whether the news is favor of Jamia Masjid or favor of TNTJ or favor of any other organization. We all came to know what is happening in our KTM.
Do you think he don’t have any other work to do ?
Good Job., Dude..!!!
We will be more happy, if you are high diplomatic..!!!
regards,
Riaz Ahamed
(Bangalore)
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Dear Riaz Ahmed, If TNTJ & JAQH are following sunnah then why there is two jaamath. can u explain and why Mr.P.J came out from JAQH and stat TNTJ. Sunnath Jaamath follow the four immams and you are following P.J. I think four immams is 1000 times beter than you P.J. if u want i will give many stupid speech of P.J.
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Brothers, Please see the below announcement from TNTJ KTM in their website : http://www.kottakuppamtntj.com wherein they challenge us that the Janaja prayer was held my Mr.Haq moulvi they are ready to pay Rs.10 lakhs. If you have proof for this we should give them and get this amount. and also if we have more proof for their other challenge we should tackle that too at the right time at the right place. We should control their growth for our peaceful life in Kottakuppam.
TNTJ பகிரங்க அழைப்பு
3 .10 .2011 அன்று TNTJ நகர தலைவர் சகாபுதீன் அவர்களின் தாயாரின் ஜனசாவிற்கு குர் ஆன் ஹதீஸை ஏற்க மறுத்து கூலிக்கு மார் அடித்துக்கொண்டு இருக்கும் ஹக் ஹஜ்ரத் தான் தொழுகை நடத்தினார் என்று நிரூபித்தால் ரூபாய் பத்து லட்சம் (10 , 00 ,000 ) தரப்படும் மேலும் கூட்டு துவா மற்றும் திருமணத்தில் ஓதி கொண்டு இருக்கின்ற ” அல்லாஹும அளிப் பைனஹுமா” போன்ற துவாகள் மார்க்கத்தில் இல்லை என்று நிரூபிக்க விவாதம் செய்ய கோட்டக்குப்பத்தில் உள்ள உலமாகளுக்கு TNTJ கோட்டகுப்பம் கிளை பகிரங்க அழைப்பு. இடம் நேரம் பற்றி ஒப்பந்தம் செய்ய உங்கள் அழைப்பிற்காக காத்திருக்கிறோம்.
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Dear brother
Assalaamu Alaikkum
TNTJ or JAQH dont say we should not listen the words of four imams. Actually their activities are in line with four imams.
Just listen the history of 4 mathhabs
After Prophet Muhammadh died, quran are recorded in proper way without any changes. But Hadees i.e. prophet activities were not recorded.
1. Then Mr. Abu Hanifa collected the hadhees and preached the sunnah of prophet and he clearly declared ” I am also a human being. i believe that whatever i preached is followed by Prophet. In future if you come to know that any of my words is proved that that is not Prophet way, then dont follow those things”
2. In the same way Mr. Shafi imam, Hanbal Imam and Malik Imam declared.
So in their period there is no four mathhabs. After their period people started following any one of these imams without following the hadhees announced by other imams. But actually we have to follow the hadhees announced by any imams. But if some people follow hadhees preached by hanafi imam they will not follow the hadhees preached by shafi imam. We have to consider all the hadhees announced by all imams and we have to follow the hadhees which is true and which is not in any doubt.
These hadhees are now available in all the languages including tamil. you know very well what are the hadhees books. Those are Buhari Shareef, Muslim, Soonan Nasayi, Soonan Abu Thawud, Thirmidhi etc. if you read each and every hadhees, they mention some notes that which are true hadhees (Sahih Hadees) and which are hadhees in doubt. We have to select Sahih hadhees.
And you cannot neglect these books also. The reason is these hadhees books are approved by all sunnath jamath ulamas and most of the hadhees books are translated by sunnath jamath ulamas in tamil. it means that they are accepting but they dont want to follow that. When people asking any doubts, they should clear their doubs with these hadhees books but in practice they are giving fathwas with some books written some 400 years before. ACTUALLY THIS IS THE PROBLEM.
If you read these hadhees books, you can find that TNTJ / Jaqh are following these hadhees and four imams. If you check the islamic rules of sunnath jamath, also you can find that they are not in agreement with these hadhees and four imams.
Please allot some time to refer these books and find the true path of islam.
And you told that most of the peoples are following PJs. Actually peoples are not following PJs words. He is preaching the Islam with the help of these hadhees books thats why people are following. It means people following hadhees and not PJs words. He is giving answers to islamic doubts with the help of these hadhees books. Not only PJ, there are number of imams preaching the real path of islam. Some of them are Zakir Naik, Bilal Philips, Kovai ayoub etc.
You can find these books in libraries and if you dont find and you want these hadhees books give me ur address i will send these books by courier.
Regards
Muhammadh
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அவர்கள் சொன்னது போல் ஹக் ஹஜ்ரத் தொழுகை நடத்தவில்லை, TNTJ ஆட்கள் தான் தொழுகை நடத்தினார்கள் ஆனால் அதன் பின்னர் ஹக் ஹஜ்ரத் துவா ஓதினார்கள். நாம் முன்னர் ஒரு தவறால் அந்த செய்திய எடுத்து விட்டோம்.
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First of all, Jazakallah Bro Muhammadh for answering in a clear way.
Dear Bro Fauzan,
As on my knowledge, TNTJ & JAQH are not related organizations. Answering to your question, PJ/TNTJ got isolated with TMMK because TMMK wants to get name from the people in the Political point of view that means ( even neglecting the sunnah, they want to get name from the people) but TNTJ purely concentrates on establishing Correct Sunnah to their best level by following all the four imams.
But in case of Sunnath Jamath, people follow ONLY ONE imam at a time either Hanafi or Shafi or Hanbali or Malik, keep in mind NOT all the imams at the same time. If Sunnath Jamath people follow all the imams at the same, there will be NO DIFFERENCE between Sunnath Jamath and TNTJ.
Let me give some example,
Note: Most of our KTM Sunnath Jamath people are Hanafi.
1. The sunnath jamath people of HAMBALI madahab will shake their finger during Athaiyaath ( sitting position while praying), (As per your statement) if you say Sunnath Jamath follows all four imams, then Why our KTM Hanafi madahab people not shaking their finger during prayer ? ? ?
2. The sunnath jamath people of SHAFI and Habali madahabs will say Ameem louder during prayer( after Surah Fathiah), (As per your statement) if you say Sunnath Jamath follows all four imams, then Why our KTM Hanafi madahab people not saying Ameen louder during prayer ? ? ?
Answering to the second question, TNTJ people DID NOT follow PJ, if they say like that then they will not be Muslims at all. But TNTJ people following our beloved Prophet Muhammed (SAW) and his actions, PJ is one among many lectures helps people to follow our Prophet by delivering speeches by referring authentic Hadeeths from the Shahih Hadeeth books.
Even I will tell to Tawheed Jamath Brothers “not only listen PJ Speeches(Bayaans) but also to see the speeches of great Scholars like
Ahmed Deedat – South Africa
Zakir Naik – Bombay
Yasir Qadhi – Texas, USA
Bilal Assad – London
Siraj Wahhaj – New York
Khalid Yasin – Washington
Raheem Green – Tanzania
Yusuf Estes – Texas
Ahmad Jibril – Saudi
Anwar Al-Awlaki – Yemen/USA
Hakim Quick – Canada
Salim Al-Amry – UAE
Bilal Philips – Jamaica
In order to follow the correct Sunnah, we have expand our knowledge at least by seeing these scholar lectures and many more. But our tamil Muslims didn’t know English, so they can’t get chance to view these lectures. Our people are bounded to listen the tamil scholars like PJ, Kovai Ayoub, M I Sulaiman, etc .
Dear Brothers, TNTJ don’t have intention to break the Jamath, they are trying to establish that, But our Jamath Leaders selling Islam to the enemies of ISLAM for Position, Post, Leadership, etc.
Let’s start research and learn the correct path of Islam, We have our enemies outside of Islam like RSS/VHP/Zionist trying to destroy the Islam, lets find them.
I hope you have surfed in youtube, there is documentary called ” THE ARRIVALS” ,if u find time just watch all the parts of this documentary, you will come to know who are the people trying to destroy ISLAM for Money, Post, Leadership, etc
With Salam,
Riaz Ahamed
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Yes Brother Shafi Ahamed, come show the proof and get the amount. TNTJ is still waiting. But before that know the Truth…!!!!
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From this annoucement itself everyone can realize that their way of speech/tone is itself not good for our community. Here they have told that Moulvi haq as (Koolikku maaradippavar). OK I agree with you – he is surviving by almighty’s grace with the little income and he is not rich eventhough is earning through mouladh, fathiha etc. as you said. But your leaders to whom you have faith (iman) is a millionaires now a days. 20 years back they were very poor (just got Rs.600/- as monthly salary from the madrassa where he used to teach quran to small kids) then how could they become rich within 20 years. Did he won any lottery price ?. Can you explain me this ? Advise your TNTJ friends to be polite while criticising other because our hindu people will laugh at us on reading this messages.
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Mind your words, Brother. Have to answer to Almighty God..!!!!
Atleast use other name while giving bad comments like this…..Feeling bad on seeing this comment “”” Mohammed Said”” . since Mohamed is name our beloved Prophet…!!!
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i know how to answer mr riaz….i well know u r tntj …tell these things to mr PJ…………..
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